Thank you so much for this. Cant tell you how much I loathe debunkers and professional skeptics. They never hold themselves to the same standards by which they critique and ridicule others.
Great essay. You're right that both sides are policing trust, not investigating why trust collapsed. But here's what gets skipped: institutions didn't get corrupted. They optimized past their own error-tolerance. That's not a conspiracy. That's just what systems do before they break.
His coauthor, John Walker-Smith, won his appeal because the judge thought the GMC didn't prove that he knew the colonoscopies were medically unnecessary. And if the facts detailed in the judge's decision are true, I basically agree with it.
However.
Wakefield absolutely did know they were unnecessary though. He did just a whole grab bag unethical shit on kids so he could profit off it. From lying to parents to inventing a fake disease so he could pocket consulting fees and sell testing.
If he's provided hard scientific evidence of his claims, please link them. That would look like measles traces found in the gut of autistic children. Has he even tried? It'd be easy to find another vaccine skeptic MD to do the work legitimately if he cared to.
Nothing in this ruling says Wakefield's claims were true. Just that the GMC fucked up proving that Walker-Smith acted irresponsibly. In fact, on page 6 the judge says, " Dr. Wakefield’s statement and subsequent publicity had a predictable adverse effect upon the take up of MMR vaccine of great concern to those responsible for public health. There is now no respectable body of opinion which supports his hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked."
So even your guy doesn't think there's evidence Wakefield was correct. And because of Wakefield's paid work on behalf of litigators that predated his publicity by two years, that wasn't an honest failure of of scientific reasoning. It was fraud. He lied to everyone for money. And hurt kids while doing it.
Some of the biggest pro vax headbangers are actually autistic and I gather this is the case here.
The type of indoctrinee who can take 7 Covid jabs, develop GBS and myocarditis but still claim they were "right" and that "it would have been worse if I'd got Covid".
I pity you but I won't be wasting any further time on you or your endless waffle.
Well I'm not great with definitions but Stockholm Syndrome is where one loves their captors isn't it? And here you are defending the very system that made you the mess of a human that you are. Call it what you want. Would you prefer "useful idiot"?
Thank you so much for this. Cant tell you how much I loathe debunkers and professional skeptics. They never hold themselves to the same standards by which they critique and ridicule others.
Great essay. You're right that both sides are policing trust, not investigating why trust collapsed. But here's what gets skipped: institutions didn't get corrupted. They optimized past their own error-tolerance. That's not a conspiracy. That's just what systems do before they break.
His coauthor, John Walker-Smith, won his appeal because the judge thought the GMC didn't prove that he knew the colonoscopies were medically unnecessary. And if the facts detailed in the judge's decision are true, I basically agree with it.
However.
Wakefield absolutely did know they were unnecessary though. He did just a whole grab bag unethical shit on kids so he could profit off it. From lying to parents to inventing a fake disease so he could pocket consulting fees and sell testing.
If he's provided hard scientific evidence of his claims, please link them. That would look like measles traces found in the gut of autistic children. Has he even tried? It'd be easy to find another vaccine skeptic MD to do the work legitimately if he cared to.
I tried to find Judge Mitting saying the paper shouldn't have been retracted and couldn't. The decision in question, which I found a pdf of here ( https://www.scribd.com/document/433873152/Professor-John-Walker-Smith-v-General-Medical-Council#content=query:body,pageNum:6,indexOnPage:0,bestMatch:false ) pretty clearly describes John Walker-Smith acting with considerably more integrity than Wakefield did.
Nothing in this ruling says Wakefield's claims were true. Just that the GMC fucked up proving that Walker-Smith acted irresponsibly. In fact, on page 6 the judge says, " Dr. Wakefield’s statement and subsequent publicity had a predictable adverse effect upon the take up of MMR vaccine of great concern to those responsible for public health. There is now no respectable body of opinion which supports his hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked."
So even your guy doesn't think there's evidence Wakefield was correct. And because of Wakefield's paid work on behalf of litigators that predated his publicity by two years, that wasn't an honest failure of of scientific reasoning. It was fraud. He lied to everyone for money. And hurt kids while doing it.
Some of the biggest pro vax headbangers are actually autistic and I gather this is the case here.
The type of indoctrinee who can take 7 Covid jabs, develop GBS and myocarditis but still claim they were "right" and that "it would have been worse if I'd got Covid".
I pity you but I won't be wasting any further time on you or your endless waffle.
Big talk from a guy losing the argument he started.
Save your pity for yourself.
Why??? I'm not autistic with Stockholm Syndrome.
Sweetie you don't even know anything about Stockholm Syndrome.
You've stuck your head so far up your own ass you've started to like the taste.
Well I'm not great with definitions but Stockholm Syndrome is where one loves their captors isn't it? And here you are defending the very system that made you the mess of a human that you are. Call it what you want. Would you prefer "useful idiot"?